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	<title>Comments on: In Santa Clarita We No Longer Trust</title>
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		<title>By: Nullsession</title>
		<link>http://www.turbofool.com/2009/05/13/in-santa-clarita-we-no-longer-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Nullsession</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 05:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pretty shocked. My stereotype of California is shattered. It&#039;s like we live in some upside down world where Iowa has gay marriage and California has been invaded by morality police.

In reality, I think it could be two things. First, it could be people afraid that their &quot;way of life&quot; is threatened. We&#039;ve seen that with the &quot;OMG teh Mexicans R coming!&quot; before. People want to maintain the status quo, no matter how illogical and unrealistic that may be. Since they can&#039;t DO much to make people &quot;be like them and think like them&quot; - they do what they have the power to do, pass silly laws that add their superhero to the city shield/logo/slogan/song.

Second, it could be that they think, now stick with me, that money is &quot;trusted&quot; because it says &quot;In God We Trust&quot; on it, and they are trying to market the city as wholesome and trustworthy. 

But, whether they mean it or not, it&#039;s just another form of discrimination that I hope we eventually overcome!

Nice post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pretty shocked. My stereotype of California is shattered. It&#8217;s like we live in some upside down world where Iowa has gay marriage and California has been invaded by morality police.</p>
<p>In reality, I think it could be two things. First, it could be people afraid that their &#8220;way of life&#8221; is threatened. We&#8217;ve seen that with the &#8220;OMG teh Mexicans R coming!&#8221; before. People want to maintain the status quo, no matter how illogical and unrealistic that may be. Since they can&#8217;t DO much to make people &#8220;be like them and think like them&#8221; &#8211; they do what they have the power to do, pass silly laws that add their superhero to the city shield/logo/slogan/song.</p>
<p>Second, it could be that they think, now stick with me, that money is &#8220;trusted&#8221; because it says &#8220;In God We Trust&#8221; on it, and they are trying to market the city as wholesome and trustworthy. </p>
<p>But, whether they mean it or not, it&#8217;s just another form of discrimination that I hope we eventually overcome!</p>
<p>Nice post!</p>
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		<title>By: Santa Clarita, CA &#8211; You&#8217;re dead to me &#171; Skepacabra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Santa Clarita, CA &#8211; You&#8217;re dead to me &#171; Skepacabra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 05:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to&#160;me  Something odd recently happened at a City Council meeting in Santa Clarita, California. One of the council members proposed the city add &#8220;In God We Trust&#8221; to its official seal, claiming that it somehow raised community morale in other [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to&nbsp;me  Something odd recently happened at a City Council meeting in Santa Clarita, California. One of the council members proposed the city add &#8220;In God We Trust&#8221; to its official seal, claiming that it somehow raised community morale in other [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TurboFool</title>
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		<dc:creator>TurboFool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You bring up an important point. Mayor Dude voiced a concern that putting this on the ballot would create fighting and make it a &quot;religious issue.&quot; I&#039;m not sure it crossed his mind what essentially making judeo-christian religions the official religion of our city would do. To the hateful bigots we know exist all over the place, it merely lends them support in their feeling of superiority, and could easily incite violence against those who don&#039;t support what our town now officially stands for. Don&#039;t believe in our god? Then get out!

I also wonder if it is a direct effort to keep out some undesired element to begin with. Considering the comments on &lt;a href=&quot;http://iheartscv.blogspot.com/2009/05/happenings-trust-god-not-scv.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I Heart SCV&lt;/a&gt; about godless heathens, it&#039;s clear that people of our belief set (or lack thereof) are not a welcome element to many. We already know Muslims are also apparently universally reviled among the conservative set, almost as much so as atheists. The remaining groups are, simply, too foreign for comfort. Wearing our city&#039;s prejudices on its seal will simply make it that much easier to keep them from ever buying a home here.

The lack of understanding of our country&#039;s history is saddening. One of the most fundamental reasons for our secession was an issue of religious freedom. These very people&#039;s beliefs were once under attack, and it&#039;s that adversity that led them to take action and create this &quot;more perfect union.&quot; And yet, once they&#039;ve managed to establish the same level of power and majority that once ruled over them, they happily turn around and treat others much the same way. But I fear this is simply a human condition. We&#039;re content so long as what we care about isn&#039;t threatened, and those that don&#039;t agree with us don&#039;t share the same level of importance. I wonder sometimes if it&#039;s something we can overcome, but then I look at the world around us and see examples from all angles. There are countries that have pulled it off and serve as a great example. But can our culture handle the shift? Only time and progress will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You bring up an important point. Mayor Dude voiced a concern that putting this on the ballot would create fighting and make it a &#8220;religious issue.&#8221; I&#8217;m not sure it crossed his mind what essentially making judeo-christian religions the official religion of our city would do. To the hateful bigots we know exist all over the place, it merely lends them support in their feeling of superiority, and could easily incite violence against those who don&#8217;t support what our town now officially stands for. Don&#8217;t believe in our god? Then get out!</p>
<p>I also wonder if it is a direct effort to keep out some undesired element to begin with. Considering the comments on <a href="http://iheartscv.blogspot.com/2009/05/happenings-trust-god-not-scv.html" rel="nofollow">I Heart SCV</a> about godless heathens, it&#8217;s clear that people of our belief set (or lack thereof) are not a welcome element to many. We already know Muslims are also apparently universally reviled among the conservative set, almost as much so as atheists. The remaining groups are, simply, too foreign for comfort. Wearing our city&#8217;s prejudices on its seal will simply make it that much easier to keep them from ever buying a home here.</p>
<p>The lack of understanding of our country&#8217;s history is saddening. One of the most fundamental reasons for our secession was an issue of religious freedom. These very people&#8217;s beliefs were once under attack, and it&#8217;s that adversity that led them to take action and create this &#8220;more perfect union.&#8221; And yet, once they&#8217;ve managed to establish the same level of power and majority that once ruled over them, they happily turn around and treat others much the same way. But I fear this is simply a human condition. We&#8217;re content so long as what we care about isn&#8217;t threatened, and those that don&#8217;t agree with us don&#8217;t share the same level of importance. I wonder sometimes if it&#8217;s something we can overcome, but then I look at the world around us and see examples from all angles. There are countries that have pulled it off and serve as a great example. But can our culture handle the shift? Only time and progress will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Nichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy. I hope these sorts of christian actions are never the basis for any persecution, but if history is any indicator, they certainly will be. How this could possibly be legal is beyond me, but I wonder if that is due more to my expectation that 14th Amendment style protections are actually part of local and state laws, which they may well not be. Local jurisdictions have a surprising amount of freedom (good in most cases, IMO), but letting them use religious mottos which are intimidating to those of other beliefs or non-beliefs certainly violates the spirit if seperation if not the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy. I hope these sorts of christian actions are never the basis for any persecution, but if history is any indicator, they certainly will be. How this could possibly be legal is beyond me, but I wonder if that is due more to my expectation that 14th Amendment style protections are actually part of local and state laws, which they may well not be. Local jurisdictions have a surprising amount of freedom (good in most cases, IMO), but letting them use religious mottos which are intimidating to those of other beliefs or non-beliefs certainly violates the spirit if seperation if not the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should boil a bunch of spaghetti and show them the roots of the universe.

Santa Clarita, I AM DISAPPOINT.</description>
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<p>Santa Clarita, I AM DISAPPOINT.</p>
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